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Thursday, June 26, 2014

A Visit to Karuna Society and an Interview with Clementien Pauws, President

A Visit to Karuna Society and an Interview with Clementien Pauws, President

Article by Dr. Arun Rangasamy and Uthra

For many animal welfarists (and perhaps some vegans) in India, Karuna Society for Animals and Nature needs no introduction, thanks to the Plastic Cow Project(1). As one would expect, the Plastic Cow Project is one among the list of impressive projects implemented by Karuna Society. We were fortunate to get the chance to visit Karuna Society and interact with its President, Clementien Pauws and Vice-President, Romula D’Silva. We believe that many vegans would be pleased to know more about the activities of Karuna Society. We are happy sharing about the visit on our blog.

Founded in 2000 at Puttaparthi, Andhra Pradesh, Karuna Society for Animals and Nature has been providing the much needed relief to sick, injured, abandoned, or abused animals, free of cost. Sri Sathya Sai Baba, who insisted that humans extend their circle of compassion and love to include non-human animals, influenced the founders to take up this noble cause.

It is common to find many differently-abled dogs and cats at veterinary hospitals-cum-shelters, but what makes Karuna Society special is that it hosts a variety of animal species – dogs, cats, a large number of rescued cows, bulls, and buffaloes, and also a few equines, monkeys, and even a camel that was rescued from slaughter. We also got the chance to meet a couple of peacock and deer visitors at the hospital.

For many animals in the shelter (particularly the ones who have lost their limbs and the abandoned or rescued), Karuna Shelter is their home. Karuna Shelter hosts the rest of the animals (those admitted for ABC and treatment for particular injuries or diseases, with or without foster parents), until they recover, or sometimes even throughout their lives.

Vice President Romula D’Silva took us on a tour of the shelter, providing us information about Karuna Society and introducing the inmates. These animals are brought in either by people (foster parents or public) or those involved with Karuna Society (including Romula and her daughter, Roshni) on receiving information about them. We were dumbfounded when Romula introduced us to a non-human visitor (a wild monkey engaging the permanent monkey-residents, who have lost most of their limbs)! Although the visitor monkey is very mischievous, he gets his share of goodies (including yummy organic mangoes) that his friends are treated to.

While seeing an isolated rabid dog who had arrived at the shelter a short while ago made our heart heavy, the selfless work Karuna Society is doing, the dedication of its employees, and a brief meeting with a foreign volunteer (a woman attending a dog with ticks) moved us deeply. Romula later informed us that sometimes young volunteers from different countries take time from their vacation in India to serve the animals at Karuna Society.

Puttaparthi is largely a vegetarian town and after our visit to the shelter, we had a sumptuous vegan meal at a vegetarian restaurant with Romula. Romula, who along with a healer friend, was originally interested in establishing a center that cares for aged and terminally ill humans, recollected how Sri Sathya Sai Baba influenced her to shift her focus to non-human animals, how she met Clementien and they came together to start Karuna Society for Animals.

Romula also informed us about the organic products for sale at the Karuna Organic Shop. The shop sells organic and fresh vegetables and seasonal fruits, as well as a host of other products including the single ingredient organic peanut butter (one of the sweetest foods we have ever had!), roasted organic sesame seeds, organic lemon grass, and more.

Going to Puttaparthi just to get hold of the sweet and flavorful organic mangoes is worth the effort. Romula, who is also involved in instilling compassion in local schoolchildren, runs the shop that also serves as an information center for Karuna Society.

After lunch, we visited Karuna Society’s organic farm that produces raw materials, greens, herbs, seasonal vegetables, and fruits for Ahimsa Organic Products Pvt. Ltd., whose profit goes back into Karuna to serve the animals. We also got a chance to interact with Clementien, President of Karuna Society, who manages the farm.

Clementien showed us the cattle shelter in the farm where rescued and abandoned cows, bulls, and buffaloes are hosted. The buffaloes are sterilized to prevent them from being abused for milk. One striking observation is that most of the cows and bulls at Karuna belong to the cattle species native to India. Their population has come down drastically, thanks to the green revolution (that replaced native bulls with tractors, and native cows with chemical fertilizers and pesticides; dairy farmers do not prefer these animals), and Karuna Society is truly a sanctuary for these animals, who assist the Karuna Society team through their contribution to the organic farm.

Cattle shelter at the ‘Ahimsa Farm’ of Karuna Society

Most products from the Ahimsa Company are not just vegan and organic – in her interview with us, Clementien, a vegan herself, discusses the difference between typical organic farms and the ‘Ahimsa Farm’ at Karuna (where workers enjoy pension), how the public views Karuna Society, and how she became a vegan, among other interesting topics.

Clementien is a brave woman who speaks her mind and therefore interacting with her can leave one uncomfortable sometimes; however, they also help one discover opportunities for improvements in the issues under question, and consequently, such interactions are invariably rewarding.

After interacting with Clementien, we visited Karuna Society’s Wildlife Rescue Center, where we saw baby and adult deers of different species and bears. We left for home loaded with lasting memories of our interaction with our friends and also with Ahimsa Company’s goodies that we bought. We hope that it will not be long before the products of Ahimsa Company are easily accessible to our vegan friends living elsewhere. This year, many in Bangalore got the chance to taste some mangoes from the Ahimsa Organic Farm – they were sold at Carrots (Bangalore’s first vegan restaurant). We can find some other products from the Ahimsa Company for sale at Carrots as well. Need we request fellow vegans to support Karuna Society – an organization that strives to take compassion to the next level (through monetary donations, donation of used/new towels and sheets for nursing old or sick dogs, patronizing Ahimsa Company products, forwarding information about Karuna Society to friends, etc.)?

Here is a conversation we had with Clementien, President of Karuna Society.

Question: Before we start with questions about Karuna Society’s work, could you please inform us how you became a vegan?

Clementien: After we rescued 53 buffaloes from the slaughter truck, we started initially to sell milk and curd, and I was making cheese. Soon we learned that the number of animals was growing. All male calves stayed at Karuna and we could not stop the reproduction.

As a result we have now more than 100 buffaloes. We sterilized the female buffaloes, stopped reproduction, and stopped milk, and I became a vegan.

Question: That was an interesting one, Clementien. Now, coming to a few questions about Karuna Society, does Karuna Society interact with the public? If so, how?

Clementien: We have different levels of communications with the public. First of all through the in- and- outpatient services we provide for sick and injured animals and the ABC program. Wildlife rescue involves the villagers and whenever there is an emergency of any sort that involves an animal, Karuna is involved. Recently we have provided hundreds of anti-rabies vaccinations to dogs and cattle after people and animals were attacked by a rabid wolf.

Another level of contact is through the shop. While we attract foreigners for the organic products, the shop is also an information center where people can inform about sick dogs and provide general information.

One more level is the information we give out through regular newsletters, articles on Internet and website, communication with donors and well-wishers, and through Facebook. Yet another level of communication that is not so much with the public but with the government is with the AWBI, Central Zoo Authority, Income Tax, and through inspections with the Animal Husbandry and Forest Departments. These are very important to make the functioning of Karuna possible but it also has the effect that our services and quality are widely known – locally, statewide, nationally, and internationally. You see our actions define our involvement.

Question: It is good to know that there is a lot of interaction with the public. We are curious to know how local people react to the activities of Karuna Society?

Clementien: That depends on their personal interest. In general, they are happy with the medical services that are free. From far and wide, the local people come with their sick and injured animals. They also appreciate the sterilizations and vaccinations. We receive hardly any donation from local people. They believe that we are very rich as we are connected to foreigners. When it comes to cattle rearing, slaughter, hunting, and poaching, they want us out of the way and experience us as a threat.

Question: Could you please tell us more about your Ahimsa Farm? How is it different from a typical organic farm?

Clementien: The Ahimsa Farm is a combination of a cattle rescue project and organic farming where the rescued animals have a right to life, live in the herd, and graze outside. They are protected from abuse and no milk is drawn from any cow or buffalo. Buffaloes are protected from abuse by castrating and sterilizing them. They are unfit for reproduction and thus free from exploitation.

Agriculture in India depends on the cow and by-products like dung, cow urine, and the physical strength of the bulls for ploughing and transport. This is also true for the food being consumed by the vegans. We cannot deny the importance of the cow in the development of thousands of years of agriculture. The question is: How can we improve the lives of animals involved, even if they are not slaughtered.

There is a new interest in organic farming in India but there is a disconnection from the lives of animals. Many organic producers have no animals themselves but use dung for compost from their neighbors’ milk buffaloes or they might even have their own small dairy and use the by-products for farming. These animals will still go to slaughter and the male calves will be killed after a few days. This is not cruelty-free organic farming; the products will still be grown on the energy of cruelty and death.

At the Ahimsa Farm, no animal goes to slaughter and the available by-products have the energy of respect and happiness. This is very important for the quality of the soil and the small animals living in and around our farm – birds, squirrels, snakes, and whatever more we do not even see. Wildlife will not be scared to come for water.

It is very important to be aware of the different motives of organic farmers; some are only for profit, sending products abroad to be converted into very expensive organic fast food and fuzzy drinks! Others are only concerned with the preparation of the soil and the products without any consideration for the animals involved.

A worker at the ‘Ahimsa Farm’ of Karuna Society – a farm where workers enjoy pension

More workers of Ahimsa Farm

Question: How do you plan to take Ahimsa Farm forward?

Clementien: We have a plan for a “model farm” to which we will extend our existing activity and one which will show the local farmers that it can be done. For this development, we need a big donation as it involves planting of trees, plants, and scrubs, bringing water, green house, and drying facilities, and more at our new Ahimsa land.

The Ahimsa Company that produces and markets organic products made from the produce grown on Karuna’s Ahimsa Farm, gives back its profits to Karuna Society and it will be used for the maintenance of our rescued cattle.

Question: Do you think it is possible to have a sustainable animal shelter?

Clementien: At present, it is not possible to have a self-sufficient animal shelter, not even with organic farming, biogas, and by-products.

Question: Well actually we are not surprised by that answer, as we can see the number of cattle here (300+!). Clementien, there is a lot of scope for compost from kitchen waste (proportional to the human population and crop produce – many by-products of feed crops are inedible and are potential inputs for compost) to be used to aid organic farming. What do you think about it?

Clementien: Most municipalities try to compost their wet garbage (which still contains plastic, animal waste, and other pollutants) even as vermi-compost, to sell to farmers.

Unfortunately, it is so polluted that it cannot be used in the soil. These composting plants are poisoning the local groundwater as well. I have reports about this. The problems are more complicated than we think!

Question: What keeps you busy these days?

Clementien: I am busy with whatever needs to be dealt with – management of the clinic, treatment of animals, office work, connecting with donors and friends, like now!!!

For Ahimsa, I am busy with product development to go out in a big way, new labels, promotion material, and development of the new Ahimsa website. Only after this is ready, the production and sale can expand.

Question: Many vegans look up to you as a brave, inspiring, wise, and uncompromising activist for the rights of non-human animals. From your experience, what do you think could be the high-priority activities to take veganism to the masses?

Clementien: I have definitely made an uncompromising choice for the animals.

The activity with the highest priority is the rescue of individual animals who suffer in actual time! My personal opinion is that “animals and nature” itself will change the picture. It will become so poisonous to eat what people eat now that worldwide a change will be forced irrespective of what people “want” to eat. It will not be a personal choice. In the meantime, it is important to provide information for those who are able to make a free choice.

Question: How do you think can vegans help animals better?

Clementien: I believe that only the experience of “being one” with animals and nature will save us all in the end as it will inspire the small changes that will lead to big changes.

I wish more people would be involved in the actual rescue of animals. I believe it is more important than “awareness”. Actual rescue has a high awareness value!


Afternote: Thank you very much Clementien for doing so much for the animals and for spending some time with us.

For more information about Karuna Society, its projects, and how one can help Karuna Society, please visit Karuna Society’s webpage,


About the authors:

Dr. Arun, a lacto vegetarian for most of his life, has been a vegan since 2007. He became one after his vegan brother, Balaji showed him how the dairy industry exploits cows. He is one of the trustees of Samabhava, an equine welfare organization. A compiler engineer by profession, Arun has won several prizes at college-level running races. He has been finishing at the top 250 places in the Bangalore TCS/Sunfeast Open 10km races since 2012, sporting vegan-promoting clothes.

Uthra is a freelance fashion designer, who began her journey to veganism in April 2013. She loves to cook, and impresses her neighbors and relatives with sumptuous, flavorful, and appealing vegan dishes. Together, Uthra and Arun are experimenting with a veganic micro-garden nourished with compost from their vegan kitchen by-products and are seeing fairly good results.


(1) To know more about the Plastic Cow Project and others involved in the project, please visit this link on the Karuna Society website.

Wednesday, October 2, 2013

A Tribute to Bapu: “Why Being the Lone Vegan Makes You a Power Player” by Ruby Roth

Today is International Day of Non-Violence, a day marked to respect possibly the greatest crusaders of non-violence in the modern world: Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi, fondly known as Bapu. Bapu continues to inspire the world; in fact, interest in the Gandhian way of life continues to grow more than 60 years after his assassination. While prayer meetings are being held in memory of Bapu in various parts of the country today, British MPs have pledged to go vegan for the day as a tribute to this great thought leader. Let us remind ourselves of Bapu’s famous words, “The greatness of a society and its moral progress can be judged by the way it treats its animals.”

We couldn’t find a more fitting tribute to make to Bapu than to assure him we are at it. This stimulating article by Ruby Roth [] re-posted on this blog with her kind consent makes a mark by calling out where we, all the vegans at this point in time on Earth, stand – we are the Early Adopters of an idea that will change the world. We may be the lone ones but we are the unsurpassable voices of sanity and are creating the unmistakable ripples.

Yay! We are the Early Adopters and we are influencing the course of history! We are infallible, we are intuitive, we have the power to drive change, we have the power to make veganism mainstream – Yes We Can!

And, on this day we would also like to share this video in the voice of Steve Jobs that resonates with our idea of change. Incidentally it went on to become one of the greatest commercials of all times: “Here’s to the crazy ones…. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.”

Why Being the Lone Vegan Makes You a Power Player
By Ruby Roth

Being vegan got you feeling alone? Ostracized? Left out at social meals?

Are you fatigued by the “People for Eating Tasty Animals” joke?

Ever feel like you’re the only one who cares about animals?

Well, hold up! I will not have you feeling this way! Let’s bring those feelings to an asphalt-burning halt, case closed, right this minute!

Let me lay a virtual hand on your shoulder and tell you exactly why the work you’re doing—even if you’re doing it alone—makes you a power player in the vegan movement.

In 1962, Everett Rogers published a book called Diffusion of Innovations. In it was a bell curve graph that illustrated how new ideas spread. “Innovators” were on the left, a miniscule 2.5% of the population. Then came the “Early Adopters” at 13.5%. The “Early Majority” and “Late Majority” followed at 34% each, making up the ascent, crown, and descent of the bell. Finally on the right side, were the “Laggards” at 16%.

Innovators are infatuated with new ideas and core-driven to bring about advances. Small in numbers, they are brave and daring, the adventurous few who challenge others to see, think, and behave in a new ways.

Early Adopters immediately see the value and potential of innovative ideas and advances. Empowered and intuitive, they participate—their commitment undeterred by obstacles of inconvenience or expense that new ideas and technologies arise with.

The Early and Late Majorities are respectively less and less comfortable with new ideas, influenced by practicality and habit over innovation. Change requires ease, inexpense, and wide social proof. These groups need others to go before them in order to change their ways.

Laggards refuse to adopt new ideas and technologies until there is no longer a choice.

See where I’m going?

Today, veganism is just being introduced to the mainstream. In fact, at this moment, we are amazingly aligned with Rogers' numbers, vegans making up about 2%+ of the U.S. population!*

Depending on how long you’ve been vegan, you are either an innovator or an early adopter—and that means the vegan movement doesn’t become mainstream without you.

You have more influence than you know. Whether you think it or not, you are normalizing veganism in your community—its definition, existence, its feasibility, and its “face”. Your purchases influence the market and make vegan products more accessible and available.

You are a POWER PLAYER IN THE GAME, ya hear?!

It may be a quiet and sometimes lonesome battle you’re waging, but you are inherently cutting away, subverting, and undermining the meat and dairy industry every step of the way. Don’t you go backing down now!

What others do or say doesn’t matter. It only matters what kind of person you want to be.

The rights we’ve attained throughout history have come from the bottom up, not the top down. So if you’re toeing the line alone, just keep showing up. Wear that vegan T-shirt, keep bringing your favorite dish to the party, carry that green juice in a glass jar when you drop your kid off at school—and smile and wave it around the community like it’s the best thing that has ever happened to you—and them!—because your choices are a flag and you are a leader.


Editorial note:
*In the absence of a census, India-specific figures are not available yet; however as early adopters we all are aware of the sweet winds of change. We know our choices have influenced the market as we have seen an unprecedented number of vegan parallels emerge in the market this year.

Here’s another famous quote from Bapu, “First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”

Thursday, August 22, 2013

In Conversation with Ruby Roth: “Kids learn what we’re brave enough to teach them!”

Recently we asked one of our young readers what he would like to see on the blog. The 16 year old replied instantly, “Publish more interviews.” Around the same time, a big noise was brewing in the world media about the demise of an infant born to vegan parents in France, in 2011. Why it was being made such a big deal about after two years could be anybody's guess. Expectedly, opinions were hugely polarized on the matter. It became some sort of a virtual battle between the vegans and the non-vegans.

However, one positive outcome that came off the debate was a consolidation of the numerous studies and case studies demonstrating that vegan pregnancies are absolutely healthy, vegan infants thrive on plant-powered diets, and vegan children can transcend into wonderful young adults. Then, as if by a miracle, we received a newsletter from Ruby Roth and a floodgate was opened to explore the topic, veganism and children with the accomplished writer, artiste, and designer. One thing led to the other and today we are here with an interview of Ruby Roth, the author of three outstanding books on the vegan ethic for children that she has herself illustrated:

1.    That’s Why We Don’t Eat Animals: A Book About Vegans, Vegetarians, and All Living Things
2.    Vegan is Love: Having Heart and Taking Action
3.    V is for VEGAN: The ABCs of Being Kind

Ruby’s books are a first in children’s literature to address the emotional lives of animals, factory farming, environment, world hunger, and endangered species in the context of the foods we eat. Ruby grew up in Los Angeles, the Bay Area, and Kauai and attended UC Santa Cruz where she earned two BA degrees in American Studies and Art. She has also researched animal agriculture, health, nutrition, and the benefits of a plant-based diet for nearly a decade. She currently lives in Los Angeles and travels all over as a vegan consultant and speaker. Today we talk to Ruby to find out more about herself, her activism, her vegan journey, her books, her vision, and the way forward. The blog is very grateful to her for this interview.

In Conversation with Ruby Roth
“There is NO universally accepted concept of childhood. Kids can handle the truth, they learn what we're brave enough to teach them.” ~Ruby Roth~
Photo courtesy: FOX News archives

Vegan India!: Thank you Ruby for consenting to the interview with the Vegan India! blog. We are excited to speak to you, the author of several children’s books on vegan ethics. Please tell us your story, how did you turn vegan and when?

Ruby Roth: In 2003, a friend pointed out that my eating habits did not match my morals and values. I had always interested in health, social justice, and politics, counter-cultural movements and activism, I was raised by a vegetarian mom and had lived on an organic tree farm. At that moment, I had to question what kind of person I really was! I ended up trying veganism for a summer as a health experiment and I stopped getting tonsillitis, lost weight, and had so much energy, it felt like taking off a heavy jacket and starting to run. I started researching the underbelly of the animal agriculture industry and never went back. 

Vegan India!: How has the response to your books been so far – both from the viewpoints of children as well as their parents?

Ruby Roth: I’ve never once seen a child overwhelmed by the facts in my book – in fact, just the opposite. Kids respond to the ways we hurt animals and the environment with a great sense of diplomacy – they think, reflect, ask questions, and want to know how to help. Veganism is inherently a solution and because of that, kids feel empowered by participating. I hear from parents all over the world whose children feel inspired, motivated, and confident in their way of life because they have my books as friends! There has been some outrage in the mainstream media over my books – but this is only because society gives children very little credit for their capabilities to process the truth and participate in the public realm.

Vegan India!: You have a degree in Art and American Studies; did your educational qualification help your activism? What is the most important tool you have used to connect with children and their parents?

Ruby Roth: My interest in justice, anti-racism, and politics during high school and college informed my eventual embrace of veganism. That education prepared me to think critically and always seek what lies beneath the veil. That outlook on life helped me formulate my mission and motto for my work: love deeply, think critically, act responsibly! It is the overall message I use to reach parents and children in each of my books.

First book by Ruby Roth

Vegan India!: What is the age group of children you write for? Please tell us the areas you have covered in your books and how you introduce key topics.

Ruby Roth: My newest book, V Is for Vegan is officially for kids ages 3 and up. My other two books are officially for children ages 7 and up. However, I believe you can start much earlier. You can look at pictures and have important and educational discussions with your kids as soon as they begin becoming aware of the world around them.

Vegan India!: Various studies have confirmed that children are born compassionate and societal conditioning plays a big role in shaping their behavior. Do you believe in this postulate, please share your thoughts.

Ruby Roth: No matter how we begin, I believe we are all affected by bad social shaping that becomes completely normalized as we grow. Meat and dairy production make no logical sense in this day and age – not for health, not for animals, not for the environment or sustainability, nor for energy, water, or world hunger. Most people continue to eat meat and dairy solely because of conditioning, not because they’ve ever made a conscientious choice about what they will or will not put into their bodies. Children are more empathetic to animals and nature because they’ve not yet been so conditioned.

Vegan India!: If you had to make key suggestions to parents of children who seem to naturally ask fundamental questions about their relationship with animals and express their discomfort at eating animal parts and secretions, what would they be? What should parents make of it? How should they respond to their children and what should they absolutely avoid saying?

Ruby Roth: I don’t think there is anything we should avoid discussing. We always need to tell the truth, even if it’s painful or difficult to say. Just stick to the facts without getting very emotional. That way, kids will hear the information without feeling fear. When kids ask me why people eat animals if it’s so hurtful and bad for the environment, I tell them, “Some people don’t know as much as you know… and some people don’t care! That’s why it’s ever so important for you to keep caring and put your love into action.”

Vegan India!: If you had to extend some tips to vegan parents, what would they be? How could vegan parents get their children involved in making moral choices like themselves?

Ruby Roth: It is easier than you think! Just involve your kids as you, yourself, are learning about food, animal agriculture, the environment, and all sectors affected by our food choices. When you see an ad for meat, talk about who’s behind it. When you are shopping for food, have your kids help make choices and involve them in the kitchen with tasks that are a challenge! Even if you think the topics are too complicated, talk anyway – you are planting seeds of knowledge and critical thinking skills.

Second book by Ruby Roth

Vegan India!: From time to time, noise is made against vegans raising their children vegan. Health of the child has been cited as the primary concern. What is your stand on this matter? Could you please guide our readers to your favorite resources on how to care for the nutrition of vegan infants, babies, and children?

Ruby Roth: Throughout time, cultures around the world have thrived on plant-based diets. People must learn that we have our own plant-food “pyramid” with everything we need and more—including recommendations for many nutrients that the average American, for example, is lacking—B12, D, antioxidants, etc.  There are several books out about vegan pregnancy and Dr. Gabriel Cousens has also written about infant and childhood nutrition in his book, The Rainbow Green Live Food Cuisine.

Vegan India!: Who are your favorite vegan authors? If you were to recommend some books and materials that shaped your own ideas, what would those be?

Ruby Roth: Most significantly, Dr. Gabriel Cousens and David Wolfe and all their books, videos, and articles. I think these two men are always on the forefront of the knowledge that exists and that is available today.

Vegan India!: You have just released your third book. Could you please walk us through it, what is it about?

Ruby Roth: Yes! It is called V Is for Vegan: The ABCs of Being Kind. It is veganism for the youngest audience ever! In just 26 rhyming sentences, kids will learn the main food groups, some “non”-food groups, and other concepts about being kind to animals and the environment. It is bright, funny, and I promise your kids will light up with laughter and learning! And I recommend that adults get it, too – keep it on your coffee tables, in your offices, or waiting rooms to share with others who might pick up the book out of sheer curiosity. It’s the easiest read yet, for kids ages 0 to 100!

Recent release by Ruby Roth

Please note: All three books by Ruby Roth are available at many of the online bookstores in India. You can use the India Book Store link to check them out.

  • To receive regular updates from Ruby Roth, please join her on Facebook by clicking this link.
  • To watch and read about toddler, Luiz Antonio who shot to fame as the world watched the little one experience the moment of truth with regard to eating animals, please click this link on Huffington Post.
  • To check out a bibliography on the topic of Vegan Pregnancy, Infants, and Children, please click this link on Gary Yourofsky’s website, ADAPTT.

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